More Types of Hybrids, Free Kitsunes, Reptiles, Dragons... Options

[Guest_Dahi Mihumatt_*]

Dont you people think we should have a little better of a variaty of hybrids that can be chosen free? maybe a Kitsune, Reptile, or something..  or possibly a free version of the dragon? and we should be able to use the other pictures featured in many dreams that arent the regular pictures, but better enhancements. what im saying is, you should make some stuff either free or make a better variaty. if you like the idea, im good at imagination. i hope you arent bothered by this post, but im simply stating my mind.

[Marie Elizabeth]

Is this really Technical Support

[Youlanda]

Fact: Kitsune = Fox.
Fox (red) =  Animalia Chordata Mammalia Carnivora Canidae Vulpes vulpes.
Canidae=Canine family.
Does Furcadia have a Canine avatar?
Why yes Youlanda, yes it does.

Fact: The more avatars Furcadia has, the larger the download.

Fact: Currently there are 2.44mb of avatar files associated with Furcadia's download size.

Fact: Adding a new avatar requires the following:
1) Time and effort to make.
2) Currently any new 'free' avatar would require 80 frames of graphics to make.
*20 frames for basic avatar.
*20 frames for classic winged avatar.
*20 frames for tri-winged avatar.
*20 frames for butterfly-winged avatar.

Fact: The most recent free avatar, the Lapine, uses player fsh numbers 5, 6, 8, and 10. Thes four files combined are about 300kb in size (299 according to my computer).

Fact: Some Furcadians still use dial up. The larger the download, the longer they have to wait. The higher the chance of someone quitting and/or never installing Furcadia.

Fact: There is the word FUR in FURcadia. The "paid" items seem to be following a "Mystics" theme. Reptiles are neither "Mystic" nor do they have FUR, they do not fit either of the Furcadia themes.

Fact: Furcadia is kept alive by people paying money for goodies (like me). Giving a "free" version of the dragon would take away revenue which keeps the game afloat.



This post has been edited by Youlanda: Nov 11 2003, 07:14 PM

[Guest_Black Vapor_*]

Well said.

Just 1 thing. The 80 frames.. isnt a biggy. If you look closely to the Furres.. The wings are just stuck on the furre.. At first i thought they replaced the Cape in the back... til i looked a little more closely. Don't try to argue with me on this.. cause I don't have the time to listen.

[Southside Coleman]

 NO! NO KITSUNES!!    

[Youlanda]

Well said.

Just 1 thing. The 80 frames.. isnt a biggy. If you look closely to the Furres.. The wings are just stuck on the furre.. At first i thought they replaced the Cape in the back... til i looked a little more closely. Don't try to argue with me on this.. cause I don't have the time to listen.

I know. I'm a patch maker...

But making those twenty initial frames from scratch are tough and having made avatars with wings before I can tell you that even doing the wings and tacking them on is tough.

So yes, eighty frames is a bit of a big deal.

[Guest_JustinTheTyrant_*]

Fact: Kitsune = Fox.
Fox (red) =  Animalia Chordata Mammalia Carnivora Canidae Vulpes vulpes.
Canidae=Canine family.
Does Furcadia have a Canine avatar?
Why yes Youlanda, yes it does.

Fact: The more avatars Furcadia has, the larger the download.

Fact: Currently there are 2.44mb of avatar files associated with Furcadia's download size.

Fact: Adding a new avatar requires the following:
1) Time and effort to make.
2) Currently any new 'free' avatar would require 80 frames of graphics to make.
*20 frames for basic avatar.
*20 frames for classic winged avatar.
*20 frames for tri-winged avatar.
*20 frames for butterfly-winged avatar.

Fact: The most recent free avatar, the Lapine, uses player fsh numbers 5, 6, 8, and 10. Thes four files combined are about 300kb in size (299 according to my computer).

Fact: Some Furcadians still use dial up. The larger the download, the longer they have to wait. The higher the chance of someone quitting and/or never installing Furcadia.

Fact: There is the word FUR in FURcadia. The "paid" items seem to be following a "Mystics" theme. Reptiles are neither "Mystic" nor do they have FUR, they do not fit either of the Furcadia themes.

Fact: Furcadia is kept alive by people paying money for goodies (like me). Giving a "free" version of the dragon would take away revenue which keeps the game afloat.

Fact: We get the point already.

Just because something's suggested a million times doesn't mean you need to shoot it down a million times with the same arguments.


And if the person who started this thread made any sense, I would have responded to the actual topic.

[Cassiel]

Why not?  When someone's being repetitive, repeat yourself right back at them.

If you don't like it, don't read it.  Whine whine whine, blah blah blah.  I always hated that argument.

[Tybalt]

I wasn't aware Furcadian avatars were based on Linnaeus's classifications.
What's Linnaeus's classification for GRYPHON? What about DRAGON? Hm?

Here's an idea: How about you quit whining about the freaking Furcadian suggestions and get on with your life?


I don't know about you, but I'd rather have someone either affiliated with Furcadia telling me why something I've suggested isn't going to be implemented, or at least somebody polite.

[Cassiel]

But Tybalt, polite people never say ANYTHING.  They dance around the truth, like some sort of.. dancing.. person.. thing.

I, for one, would much rather have you say, "SHUT THE HELL UP, YOU FLAMING TARD!  YOU SUCK!  YOU SUCK!  *smack to the head*" than be asked nicely, "Please refrain from your outbursts.  They're scaring the local fauna."

[Snap Snap]

Not that I support adding reptiles at the moment, but there are furry reptiles. Furcadia is a furry game not fur game.

[Cassiel]

Technically, they'd be anthropomorphic, but so would a walking, talking table.  I think they should be added, though.  Not reptiles.  Those are stupid.  Add the tables.
Fur tends to refer to something very specific, you know?
Did you know dolphins are born with moustaches?

[Lariana]

I wasn't aware Furcadian avatars were based on Linnaeus's classifications.
What's Linnaeus's classification for GRYPHON? What about DRAGON? Hm?

Here's an idea: How about you quit whining about the freaking Furcadian suggestions and get on with your life?


I don't know about you, but I'd rather have someone either affiliated with Furcadia telling me why something I've suggested isn't going to be implemented, or at least somebody polite.

I agree whole heartedly.This rudeness and lack of intelligence about animals is making me mad.Who does this person think they are?All i know is that they are rude and out of line.They dont have to read or respond to the Suggestions from the suggestion board.No one cares if they do.Dragons dont have fur.....so how can you say that only animals with fur work?Gryphons and Phoenixs have feathers.At least if your going to be rude and insulting,try doing it right by using information that doesnt contridict itself.

[Anosuke]

Perhaps a new "free" avatar such as a bear (or another more popular avatar that everyone is waiting on?) that could be free, but not be able to be used in conjunction with wings of any kind?  It would minimize the download time a lot more than an avatar that does have the ability to have wings.  And the fact that it doesn't have wings would still leave people wanting to buy such avatars as the Gryffe or Phoenix.  But it would be a unique addition to the current Furcadian species selection.  Just my two 1/2 cents.

[Cassiel]

As much as people hate doing their research, you really should read every other thread with the word "bear" in it.

[Youlanda]

This rudeness and lack of intelligence about animals is making me mad.Who does this person think they are?All i know is that they are rude and out of line.They dont have to read or respond to the Suggestions from the suggestion board.No one cares if they do.Dragons dont have fur.....so how can you say that only animals with fur work?Gryphons and Phoenixs have feathers.At least if your going to be rude and insulting,try doing it right by using information that doesnt contridict itself.

You want official?

Those saying "no" are simply repeating official word.

Take a look wawwy:
From Talzhemir's FAQ

And I QUOTE:

20. "Could you add [this new Race] to Furcadia?"
--Furcadia has so few Races because every new Race adds considerably to the size of the download. Every second longer it goes is a moment in which the download might fail. If that happens, the downloader is more than 50% likely to give up on Furcadia forever.
The ones we have were chosen by going over FurryMUCK data. These six covers over 95% of FurryMUCK's population. If the Internet itself changes such that bandwidth is MUCH higher for even the slowest users, then we can consider adding others. My list is topped Skunks (stretchable for squirrels, etc.), Cows, Deer, Bugges, and Avians ("Byrddes").
Although I normally appreciate input, your suggestion for what to add next will probably fall on deaf ears until all five of the above are completed and added.

And to kill another bird with one stone:

34. "Could you add male and female walking shapes?"
--I'm sorry, but no. This question isn't as simple as it sounds. Early on, Furcadia's predecessor DragonSpires had both genders. As a direct result of this, the atmosphere was different. Amongst the major problems was abusive behavior towards females and strong adult language that the filters could not prevent.

The need for Owsla [Guardians] would have been much higher and I was never in favor of having the game be forever patrolled by "babysitters". I was faced with a VERY hard decision here: to risk my livelihood by taking the chance that we'd have a game that we would have to ban anybody under 18, or to make a game that I felt confident even 10 year olds could have a good time playing!!!

I knew there would be time for four or five shapes. We could have males and females but we'd have to have limited it to canines and mustelines. Or I could dump the females and have canines, mustelines, equines, and rodents. I opted for having no genders, and twice as many shapes. Unless we're charging for it, I'm inclined to add 1 new Types, not an extra version of an existing ones. Having to have three winged versions already makes adding one new type a huge chore.

If we were to go over to having females now, it would cost as much time as it takes to modify 400 frames of animation. Even if there was time to add the second genders, the size of the download is still a MAJOR limiting factor for Furcadia, and it still is. Furcadia's market includes people with slow connections, who can't play real-time action games and often can't afford a game that charges a monthly fee. It also includes people who have slow connections because they live overseas.

Every byte added to our download increases the chance of a disconnect during download. If that happens, they may try again. But they're very very likely to say, "Heck with this-- I'm playing NeoPets!" and then we've lost a potential Furre. Our download size is already severely pushing the limits.

I *do* agree with everybody who says, it would be nice to have female figures. I'm still open to that possibility. But something would have to change that counteracts the abusive atmosphere problem in a way that doesn't depend on us having to police the game more.

Another (less significant) problem is that, in the year 2001, wearing skirts is subtly associated with a menial position, more and more. Waitresses, female secretaries, female nurses, female receptionists, cheerleaders who are there to lead the worship of male athletes, stereotypically all wear skirts. In modern times, women don't all have long hair, they don't all have big Lara Croft sized breasts, and they don't all wear skirts. Maybe it's just as well that Furcadia's avatars are unisex for now.

Which is more "intelligent"? Asking a stupid question for which the question is already known or giving the official answer?

Likewise, what is more intelligent? A suggestion that has already been officially turned down in an official faq by one of the creators or someone telling the suggestor that the suggestion has already been made and turned down years ago?

Sowwy wawwyboy, you'll just have to deal with people repeating the facts over and over again. Deal with it.

[Lariana]

First of all....im a girl.Second, I didnt suggest it so dont whine to me about how much you hate hearing it.Third, once again you dont ahve to read the "suggestion" board,much less throw in your 2 cents.And dont talk to me about whining....you were the one who is whining about peoples suggestions.Take your own advice.Everytime someone suggests something you throw it in the dirt and whine about how much you hate it.Why dont you grow up and stop reading the board if it makes you so mad.

[Youlanda]

Sowwy to tell you this larry but this is a discussion board. That means that suggestions here can be discussed, evaluated, debated and so forth.

As much as someone has the right to post something here, others have the right to tell them the facts and others have the right to disagree with their ideas.

While that may upset self proclaimed wannabe defenders of the sensitive or whatever you are but that's tough. Welcome to the fourms.

[mightywayne]

I say we should have penguins, cuz they are born with FURry under-wings.   Also, we should have monkeys. And squirrells. Oh yeah! And polar bears! They're not that fun though.


Man...reptiles. What a stupid suggestion. If you're gonna suggest something stupid, suggest a girraffe. They have little hairy-do thingies.

[Anosuke]

Monkey avatars would give people the excuse to play as humans.

Or worse, King Kong....



This post has been edited by Anosuke: Nov 20 2003, 10:28 PM