Ignore Furres, An invisibility option + they cannot hear you Options

[Rew]

Maybe this was thought up before, I dunno. It's just an idearrr! So let's see if you like it, shall we?: Let's say I'm a complete annoyance to you, I ruin your Furcadian experience, and I try to troll you constantly.

Yes, ignoring players do get them off your back, but maybe we could spice it up a bit with an intricate way of "blocking" furres.

This is how this "idea" works:

* You type: ignore Rew

* "Rew has been placed on ignore and cannot contact you from here on out until you type: ignore Rew again, etc.."

-- What things could be implemented to make it a better way to "hide from ignored furres"? (Read below).

* Make your character "invisible" to the ignored furre so they cannot see your furre (doubt it), or hear you speaking, and they cannot click on your furre to see your description or type: "look <name>" to read any of your information, or right-click you to whisper you or do any of the drop-down features, make it so that if you are added to their pounce It signs you off -or- deletes your character from the ignored player's pounce list and let it be unabled for them to add you.

Recapping what was said above: (Applied to all ignored furres)

1. Invisibility (most likely not a good idea)
2. Cannot hear you speak
3. Cannot click you or type: look <furre> to see your information within your description
4. Cannot right-click you to follow, lead, summon, join, basically not being able to use any of its features on the drop-down
5. Cannot add you to pounce, and if you were added, it should sign you off and/or delete your character from their list

One problem with the "invisible" feature to an ignored player, is that if they moved into you on a main map, it would cause questions like: "What's that? I can't move into this empty spot." and other players would respond.. "Someone is sitting there.. They must have you on ignore," or something along those lines..

I dunno. Just a more delicate privacy implementation.

Just an idea.

Don't bite muh paws pweeeaaseee.

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[Add-ons]

6. Ignore furres by IP Address (perhaps?), that way that the ignored-furre cannot contact you through their (other) 20 or so alternate characters. (Jadyn's Suggestion)

[Narnia]

Why if you ignore me should I instantly be forced not to hear you?

[Mredria]

I thought that ignore should keep someone from summoning you. Am I wrong?

[Emerald Flame]

It's actually things we've talked about adding to ignore at DEP before. They are good ideas! Well, probably not the invisable one but we have talked about it. :)

[super villain]

Why if you ignore me should I instantly be forced not to hear you?

Why should anyone have to give you a reason they dont want you to hear them? If someone puts you on ignore they probably want -nothing- to do with you.

[Halberd]

Why should anyone have to give you a reason they dont want you to hear them? If someone puts you on ignore they probably want -nothing- to do with you.

Until I ignore you for the sake of talking trash about you in a crowded every where everyone except you can hear.

Or I ignore everyone else in a room except you and insult you where they can't hear you, and when you respond everyone thinks you're the one causing a disturbance or making things up.

[super villain]

Theres no reason to care in either one of those scenario's. Especially the second one, I would just ignore you, and you'd be sitting on a game talking to yourself.

[Rew]

OH! And an Addition! (I'll add that in there after this post)

It should ignore furres by IP Address. Because, basically... Having ALTS log on just to torment you, over and over and over and over again sucks.

Thanks to Jadyn's idea!

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@ Halberd:

Until I ignore you for the sake of talking trash about you in a crowded every where everyone except you can hear.

This "Trash talk" : I don't recall it ever stopping anyone before. (Which is sad!)

- The procedure of putting someone on ignore is to remove them from their 'opportunity' -- so that you do not have to speak to/hear from them ever again. Not for talking nasty about someone. And if this feature was implemented, and a user wanted to talk garbage -- other people could probably guess that the other user had put them on ignore before the ignored-furre had begun to "talk trash". (They would obviously see you not responding to the ignored-furre, but see that you are responding to your friend that is right next to you.)

- However. I see your point and understand what you're saying. I do think it'd be a problem too. But, I think that if the ignored-furre went over-board with the harassment, and the other players/friends near-by are irritated by the user's net-mouth, then they could put them on ignore, as well as calling in for a Guardian to assist them, if one is even needed at all.

Hmmmffff. I dunno!

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@ Emerald Flame: Oooooh. Got it!

[Justin StinCoy]

Quoth Rew:
1. Invisibility (most likely not a good idea)

No, I don't think it is. On top of the difficulty of coding it, it would be an obvious confirmation that the harasser got to the victim. Better to be given the silent treatment which would, at first, puzzle them on whether they've been ignored.

2. Cannot hear you speak
3. Cannot click you or type: look <furre> to see your information within your description

This could conceivably make it easier on the Guardians when dealing with the Silence Rule. Right now, victims can break the Silence Rule after an ignore. Were this implemented, the victims could invoke the Silence Rule, ignore the harasser, and then talk badly at the harasser without breaking the Silence Rule because the harasser can't see what they're typing.

6. Ignore furres by IP Address (perhaps?), that way that the ignored-furre cannot contact you through their (other) 20 or so alternate characters. (Jadyn's Suggestion)

I would imagine that, by the time this would be implemented, accounts would be in. Therefore, it should be possible to ignore furres by account, thereby getting past the limitations of changing IP addresses and whatnot.

[Halberd]

It should ignore furres by IP Address. Because, basically... Having ALTS log on just to torment you, over and over and over and over again sucks.

Twinkboy1 whispers "i hate you" to Rew.
Rew whispers "I am placing you on the Silence Rule, don't contact me again." to Twinkboy1.
Rew ignores Twinkboy1 and saves log.
Twinkboy2 whispers "i super hate you" to Rew.
Rew whispers "I am placing you on the Silence Rule, don't contact me again." to Twinkboy2.
Rew ignores Twinkboy2 and saves log.
Twinkboy3 whispers "i double dog hate you" to Rew.
Rew saves log, mails them to guardians@furcadia.com

It takes so little effort.

[Shayde]

Am I missing something here?

1. Invisibility (most likely not a good idea)
2. Cannot hear you speak
3. Cannot click you or type: look <furre> to see your information within your description
4. Cannot right-click you to follow, lead, summon, join, basically not being able to use any of its features on the drop-down
5. Cannot add you to pounce, and if you were added, it should sign you off and/or delete your character from their list

Though invisibility and pounce haven't been added yet, number 2, 3 and 4 are already implemented automatically with ignore. If you request to join/lead/summon/follow someone who has you under ignore, they won't get the request. Similarly, if they click on you, they'll only be able to see your port. No description will pop up.

[Sanne]

Twinkboy1 whispers "i hate you" to Rew.
Rew whispers "I am placing you on the Silence Rule, don't contact me again." to Twinkboy1.
Rew ignores Twinkboy1 and saves log.
Twinkboy2 whispers "i super hate you" to Rew.
Rew whispers "I am placing you on the Silence Rule, don't contact me again." to Twinkboy2.
Rew ignores Twinkboy2 and saves log.
Twinkboy3 whispers "i double dog hate you" to Rew.
Rew saves log, mails them to guardians@furcadia.com

It takes so little effort.

Uhm. Actually it does. You obviously have never been under the attack of a troll who logs on 20+ alts at the same time and spams you to death on them all before you're even given the chance to put them on the silence rule. Trust me when I say the only options to avoid that are to turn off your whispers and hide in your little dream that nobody but you can access.

Using the silence rule and ignoring furres are not always as easy in all situations.

One reason I would not want someone I placed on ignore to hear me is to 'eavesdrop' on me. While it's nothing more than discomfort and I could go someplace they can't go to avoid them, it's happened before that people will sit on alts near you - even though you ignored them - to collect logs of the things you say and then use them in or outside Furcadia for trolling and harassment purposes. People are, indeed, this petty.

Having a furre not hear you when you talk will also reduce the chances at conflict to a minimum. How many times have you ignored someone only to (be tempted to) say bad things about them but no matter what they do you won't respond to them cause you can't hear them? Seen this happen often enough and am even guilty of doing such a thing. Which, in the end, just made matters worse.

While being invisible may not be a useful addition, I think the rest sounds pretty plausible. :3

[Narnia]

Just because some people can't control themselves once they have ignored someone does not justify imposing something on another person they don't want.

Maybe I'm cynical because in the 10+ years I've played I've never had to use ignore or the silence rule on any player in game.

[Sanne]

Just because some people can't control themselves once they have ignored someone does not justify imposing something on another person they don't want.

Maybe I'm cynical because in the 10+ years I've played I've never had to use ignore or the silence rule on any player in game.

Imposing? If someone annoys me and I put them on ignore, I don't see how it's imposing on... let's say you, if I prevent you from hearing what I say. Does that mean you find it imposing that I mark 99% of my LJ entries as friends-only? Does that mean you find it imposing when I move away from you so you don't hear what I say? Do you find it imposing my forum is blocked off from unregistered users?

[Narnia]

If you want to ignore me, that does not mean I want to ignore you. I don't like features that affect my game play without my permission. By all means, you should be allowed to ignore whoever you want, but your ignore should not have any impact other than preventing you from hearing me. Anything further than that seems to far reaching for me to be comfortable with it.

By the tone of the whisper you left me, since you can't seem to keep this discussion on these forums, you misunderstand my opposition to this suggestion. I'm sorry that you seem to have some deep-seeded personal contempt for me.

[super villain]

that does not mean I want to ignore you.

Why would someone who puts you on ignore care what you want? If someone doesnt want you to hear what they say, they should have that right. 'effects your gameplay' hahahaha.

[Narnia]

I think you are all misunderstanding the point, but I'll let you continue to do that if it makes you feel better about yourselves. I'm sure those who actually matter when it comes to implementing suggestions understand my concern. For fun, point out one other game on the internet that implements ignores in this fashion and lend a little bit of credibility to the suggestion.

However, in response to "If someone doesnt want you to hear what they say, they should have that right." They do have that right, it's called not saying it. If I'm standing in a crowded elevator with someone and I want to say something that I don't want others to hear, then I don't say it until we get off the elevator. Likewise, if I don't want one particular person to hear what I have to say, then I don't say it around them. That's simple enough. However, I'm sure you'll all find a way to fail to understand this analogy as well.

[super villain]

I understand that your analogy is a horrible one.

Are you trying to say if someone invented something that let only people that you want to hear you hear you in a crowded room, it should be illegal?


Here, let me reword this for YOU.

Why do you think you have the right to hear something someone doesnt want you to hear?

And no, 'they could just whisper or not say it' is not an answer.

Likewise, if I don't want one particular person to hear what I have to say, then I don't say it around them.

Its not, 'not saying it' its saying ANYTHING, they dont want you to hear them EVER AGAIN. Are they supposed to NEVER talk when youre in the dream? whisper EVERYTHING they EVER want to say to possibly dozens of furres?


There is NO logical reason(or 'concern') why something like this shouldnt be implemented, unless its a programming reason.

[Narnia]

Why do I have a right? Because if you say it in public, it's public.

Fight the good fight and keep on pushing for it though. It's a very poorly thought our suggestion with even poorer backing.

Let me know when you've thought of a better reason then, "Neener, neener, neener.. You can't hear me." People should take responsibility for their own actions and think about what they say in public before they say it. That includes paying attention to who is around before they say it.

[For example purposes]
I want to trash talk Sockle.
(ignore Sockle)
Sockle is a horrible horrible person who is stupid.
(unignore Sockle, who now has no idea what just happened and why everyone is upset because he doesn't think he missed any part of the conversation)
Now while everyone is yelling about that, I pick someone else.
(ignore Rey Tonto)
Rey Tonto is a poopy-head n00b.
(unignore Rey Tonto, who again has no idea that he missed anything because someone else is allowed to impose ignores for him.)
And this continues on, etc. etc. etc.


On second thought, maybe this should be implemented. It would be one of the best features ever for trolls.

[super villain]

Because if you say it in public, it's public.

Its not public, this is a video game.

Let me know when you've thought of a better reason then

Ok, here is one. I dont like you, I dont want to hear you, and I dont want you to hear me. Simple enough.


Your little scenario is horrible. What would that matter? If people were talking crap about people they have on ignore, everyone else would/should just ignore that person too. Common sense.

People should take responsibility for their own actions and think about what they say in public before they say it. That includes paying attention to who is around before they say it.

Responsibility? pay attention? Uh, that has nothing, whatsoever to do with this. They dont want you to hear ANYTHING, its not a matter of watching what you say, or around who you say it. They dont want you to hear them because THEY WANT NOTHING ELSE TO DO WITH YOU.