If you've ever been to FurN you'll have noticed that a majority of the people found there are lesbians or bisexual women with female preferances. I've come to the conclusion that many of these people are 12 year old little boys in real life, considering the fact that the numbers just don't even out with how things really are in the real world...

Interesting conception..

If we went by the Furcadia statistics, half of the population would be composed of homosexual males and females.

Speaking as one, I'd like to know where they all got to. o.O

Seriously though, that sounds like almost-resentful crap. There are a lot more bisexual females around than lesbians in Furrabia, but that's about it.

No, Maladai has it spot on, Morp.  He didn't mention the proportion of homosexual males to females.  Just that their combined population would be comparable to the straight demographic.

Although, I think, rather than 12 year-old boys, it's divorced, middle-aged men that're the culprits.

It could be middle aged men and their 12 year old children  

Now you're just ripping off Ricki Lake.

I've been studying this closely for a long while. I've taken note of the trend of RPers, what they are OOCly, et cetera. So far, I've come up with these stats:
80% of gay male characters are actually straight or bisexual girls in real life. So far, I have only met one that I am entirely certain is a guy in real life.
75% of the lesbian characters are actually straight or bisexual guys in real life.
50% of the bisexual females are bisexual girls in real life.
50% of the bisexual females are guys in real life. Their preference, however, is unknown to me.
80% of the bisexual male characters are actually straight/bisexual girls in real life.

I haven't observed anything involving straights, because I'm a bit heterophobic. However, Judging by the information I've collected, I think it might be right to assume that at least a few of the straight male characters are actually lesbians in real life, and one or two of the straight female characters are gays in real life.

What conclusion can we draw from this? Well, I've been asking around, and the trend is: for some reason, lots of guys find it more fun to play as girl characters, and lots of girl characters (especially anime fans) find it lots of fun to play as male characters. I'm not entirely certain -why-, and neither are they. Really, it's just something interesting to think about. ^_^
Nowadays, usually when I meet a gay furre, I ask them OOCly if they're a guy or a girl. Only one of them was really a guy- and to tell you the truth, I was very surprised to be told that. o_O

Just somethin' to think about next time your character gets in a relationship with someone *smirk*

I think you're full of it, Silas.  How did you come to those numbers?

And you can determine this how?

We've also already discussed the gender switching aspect of this.

How did I come up with those numbers? Easy. I RP a lot in FurN, see. And, being heterophobic, I tend to stay well away from the breeders. After a month or so of RPing, I got interested in whether the people I was RPing with were really guys in real life. When I realized that NONE of them were, I started collecting data. Now, what I have written up on here is a rough estimate, but I'm willing to bet it's pretty dang close to the actual numbers.

Hrm..  I have a male character, Cloven, who is gay.  I don't RP him that much anymore.  I don't "yiff" with him.  I don't "yiff" period.  But before I would RP with anyone, I would tell them that Cloven is played by a female in RL, just so they would know.
To me it really doesn't matter who is behind the character, age or sex..  The only thing that does is how they RP it.

I'd be interested to know what kind of numbers you would get if you took a poll of the Forum members.  It would be interesting to know what percentage of our fellow forum members are as badly screwed up as me.  %}

There already is a poll on that.  Umm..  You'll have to search for it.

Most of the time I get a "vibe" from male-playing-female genderbenders.  Mostly, the only ones that are obvious are the ones who play a very sexual character but are vehemently against having sex relations with males.  Still, most were kind enough to admit they were genderbending when asked about it through OOC means.  These situations weren't in furc however and as most people know, homosexuality and bisexuality are pretty common here in the furry comunity.  
Still, being an avid roleplayer, I have to say that my attitude towards genderbending is that if one can play it right, let em.  If someone can't... show them how it's done or tell them to play with someone else.

Another thing, has anyone ever noticed how the majority of the Furcadian population are found on maps such as The Slave Pens. That map always has at least 40-60 people at a time! And there are other places like Kinky Kibble and Yiffy Mansion that are always full. I remember when furc was in the early stages there was hardly any yiffing or anything going on, and it was a big deal. Now everybody yiffs random people all the time and think nothing about it.

Presumably you went up to everybody and said to them, "Oi. Tell me, do you yiff anybody and everybody?"

I think that it may be that because of Furrabian Nights, things are more easily found.

Let me just post here as both a male who plays lesbian characters, and gays as well, and as someone who spends a lot of time in The Slave Pens.

You're right, those dreams are mostly sex-based, but that's hat FurN is for, correct? And, putting that aside, not everyone is in there merely for the yiffing. Ok, a lot are, but there's many, and I know quite a few, that start serious storylines there. I know someone who was roleplaying some sort of dillusional god character who was going to build up a harem of slaves depicturing the seven sins and the seven virtues. He doesn't yiff, at all. As for me, I do, but it's always in a story. Someone walks round in TSP, don't know who, but in her desc it says that yiffing isn't the purpose, roleplay is. And I agree, the reason I go to TSP often is because I tend to find people I like in there, Out of character, that is.

As to why I play lesbians? Or females, to begin with. It's harder, thus more challanging to play something you're not. It's that simple. I'm not into the entire slave/master thing, real life, but it's fun to roleplay, especially when you make stories around it. Jane fell in love with her slave and mated her. John fell in love with someone else's slave and had to buy her from him. Vivica was forced into it, but gained her freedom after being owned by a stripping manager. She's now insane, trying to find a babysitter slave for her dead daughter. There's very little sex involved in that...

But yes, in general, you're right, there's a lot of people there for the sex, but those are mostly newbies. They'll grow out of it. Ah, and in case you were wondering, I'm 21, not 12

I RP in TSP a lot. Well, I used to, any way. It seems like all my usual RP partners have chosen this month to go on vacation, so I'm basically left high and dry and RP-less. Eek.
Any way, I preferr it when my RP is -not- completely sex-based. A hint is okay, but.. nah. In fact, usually when things heat up a bit, I OOCly ask my RP partner if we can fastforeward the scene- I mean, come on. The first time or two was all right, but after a while it just gets monotonous.
Any way, RP's more fun when it's just RP, any way. So why do I hang out on the main FurN map? Mostly 'cause I haven't been able to find any main-map RP anywhere else (I'm a bit funky like that. I don't like guilds; they make me feel closed in...). Feh.
Any way. Back to the point. Yeah, I'm a girl in real life. Yeah, my boyfriend's a girl too (... gee, what a phrase). So either way I'm queer. I have about 5 female characters, and around 60 male characters. Dudes are just more fun to play...

I didn't know you were a girl Silas!  Hehe.  Personally, I love RPing in FurN (again, Youlanda will probably flame me for being a disgraceful and tasteless RPer but who cares?) because there's a lot more maturity there.

It's an R map, whoopie.  I'm bisexual in real life, and a majority of my characters are bisexual, and are male.  I probably have two serious female characters, and it's this one and Rozetto.  I don't say anything regarding my sex in real life because the way I see it is this: You play with the character not the player.  If they're good at what they do, yay for them.

I really don't know why I'm making this post either.  LOL.

I've never had anything against anyone who genderbends.  I do it myself, actually.  And, if the person can RP it well enough without anyone ever wondering about their real sex, then good for them.  I congratulate that person for being a darn good RPer.    It is challenging, and it's fun.

On an added note...  I'm curious Maladai, what exactly is your purpose in pointing these things out?

He's tired of yiffin guys when he thinks he's got a girl?

EWWW! PEOPLE MY AGE!? OMG
THOSE SICK LITTLE PERVERTED 12 YEAR OLD b*stardS!
O.o sorry I started getting funny. But really,
I'm 12. And Ewwww...okay..most guys my age are like..straight. o.o If they were gay irl they would get made fun of,etc. At my school. You get made fun of for glasses,braces stuffs like dat. Not to mention gayness o.o
Anyways message to those little nasties: STOP ACTING GAY YOU LITTLE TURDS
okay..I'm done o.o

My best friend was gay at 12.

*hands BarkingWolf a shovel*
Dig away!  

>.< :nods: Well o.o I guess its not bad. Aslong as you dont keep switching from: Gay,to Bi,than straight etc. That can get me annoyed with some people :/ they switch frequently.

one word

EEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWW

A guy that lived where I do has  homosexual parents.  They must have been drunk while making him. O.o
Anyway, he always knew he was gay.  At age 5 he was playing with barbies and wanting to play dress-up and tea-party.  He was constantly being teased because he had longer hair, and walked and talked like a girl.  I was always his friend, he was super nice and would do -anything- for you.  I remember one time he went to school in a skirt and they made him go home and change.  He didn't like that, he let the principle know he wasn't happy.
I believe he moved, I lost touch with him.  But it's great that he was never scared to come out of the closet.  When he was 10 he let everyone know.  He always had boyfriends.  I always thought it was kinda sweet how they cared for each other.

Thats all I had to say.

You got a problem with bisexual girls!?!?!? C'mon and bring it Mr! I AM I bisexual girl and I will take you on. Oh wait....I wasn't supposed to tell anyone...oO' ....ANYWAY
What does it matter? It's roleplaying, it's a game! I know Three homosexual males that play this game that ARE homosexual males in real life! So there!

...umm...yeah.........00'

I know countless bisexuals, gays, and lesbians that play this game.  And I know probably triple that amount in the offline world.

I should have said I'm curious about being bisexual due to lack of experience, but most of my friends are bisexual/gay/lesbian you name it, they are it. They play this game and I know them. Not EVERYONE is a lesbian 12yr old kid...Seriously. Oo' I'm 16 and I'm female. I'm also bi curious. Is that a crime? No, people should be what they want to be without someone saying "that's wrong!" or "That's gross!"

"Society" does not allow that.

Where's a rolleyes graphic when I need one?

[edit] Wretched typos.

Agrees!  I'm Bi-curious and far from being 12 years old.

I am 100% straight, and proud of that. Does that mean I am in the minority in Furc?

Im eleven in real life, and I don't think about furN at all. Nor do I wish to.

And those lesbian 12 year olds... Uh, uhm. Uh?

I feel if you're going to gender bend it is only fair to mention it in your description.

Yeah... Heh. I had a homophobic guy friend who got with a girl on furc and trust me, they yiffed plently. Then on the night of their furc wedding the wife told him that she was a he irl. That was only -after- they had been together for about 4 months. Its actually kinda amazing how this guy could pull off playing a girl for so long, either that or my friend is really stupid hehe. in anycase, my friend was like freaked out and hasnt played furc for like... 5 months now because of that.

I'd be more p***ed off than anything if that happened to me.  A relationship like that is supposed to have quite a bit of trust involved, and lying about your gender doesn't really imply trust.

I don't particularly agree about putting your IRL gender in your description.  It really plays no part there.  A description is just that, a description of the furre, not necessarily the IRL self behind the furre.  If someone wants to ask in an OOC manner, then I have no problem with that.  I've always thought about gender switching as being able to portray the opposite gender and having nobody question the actual person's gender that's behind the furre.  

I do agree that when you get into Furcadian relationships that escalate so far that the furres will be married, then yes, both parties should know the real life sex of the other.  The trust factor, after all.  But, that should be decided upon by those two people themselves.  If they wish to leave it to roleplay and nothing more, that is their choice.  However, I've noticed that most gender benders do reveal the true sex when things get more involved.

I would feel pretty d*** dirty if that happened to me lol.

This would be another good reason why I don't like online relationships.

Male?  Female?  Bald?  Skinny?  Fat?  Nerdy?  Straight?  Gay/Lesbian?  Bi?  Convicted felon?

You just really don't know these questions when you become involved with someone you cannot physically see.  And photos don't always tell the truth.  One PLUS to Furcadia (as far as online relationships go) is that a majority of the users are ages 10-24 (from my estimation, from notes in descriptions of iRL age to those I know), so you have a good chance of finding someone your age.

I've had TWO friends that were severely burned by online relationships.  One of which was involved with this girl for nearly five years, had even proposed iRL, and she suddenly LOST INTREST in him.  These things can happen when you cannot be there every day.  Yes, the emotional side of the relationship is important, but it cannot exist without the physical side for very long.  Human contact is the essence of a healthy relationship.  Hugs are good for you.  Kisses too.

Be careful out there.  The heart is a delicate thing.

Still, a furc wedding is a wedding between two characters, right? Some of my characters are married, engaged or dating, but that doesn't mean I feel for the players of those characters in real life (except for one and she knows it). So, if a mate of one of my female characters would propose, the character would probably say yes. And, by the way, I usually tell people I'm male before they engage in anything more explicit than kissing with my female characters. Many are cool with it. This brings me to think your friend probably over-reacted. Sure, 4 months is a long time to find out this girl you met on Furcadia is a guy in real life, but even then, he didn't have sex with the male right, but with his female character...

About putting it in your desc. Do it, and you'll have plenty of people whispering you on how sick you are. Trust me, been there, done that. I do sometimes put it in Q-Codes, seeing it's more likely that only serious roleplayers know what they mean.

I have male fursonas and yet I'm female.  Is that so bad?  It's not like I go around yiffing every female I see, either.  I've always played male characters from Talfryn Calhoun in the Miniclan to Scott Maxwell and Harvey in the Leoscetarius.  Practically every typist in the Leosce was female, and several played guys to even out the sexes of the characters.  *shrugs*  Personally, while RPing I believe that the sex of the character is more important than the sex of the typist, for sometimes when the sex of the typist is revealed to be the opposite of his/her character, it tends to engender (haha) turmoil within the RP.  Personally I wonder...why does it matter?

And if there are twelve year olds males playing lesbian furres...then that's their own sick and twisted world.  We can't stop it.  It's their decision.

Hmmmm..
if anyone HAS heard the song Be as By Prozzak it explains you can be what you want and who you want without anyone harassing you about it. And it is kinda bad that now a days people care. if my friends are Bi,gay I wont stop being friends with them. >.> Though I might think they are after me if they are fems aswell :smirks:

"No, people should be what they want to be without someone saying "that's wrong!" or "That's gross!"

Why?

And does that mean i should not be able to make fun of scientologists for building that huge fortress?

You know they are up to something with 889 rooms and only 417 windows..

Because there's nothing gross or wrong about it.  It's life, live it how you see fit.

Unless it ends up hurting someone else, in the case of my friend who was dating someone for a while he thought was a girl but turned out to be a guy.

The comment was referring to the real life aspect.  Not the gender bending.

Oddly, this is true from what I have found..

I've also found that I am the only straight male Spooter..

Spooter?